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PostSubject: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 2:26 am

I've read a bit about Kierkegaard and Neitzsche.

Pretty much... all truth is subjective.. just like the quantum understanding of how particles exist super positionally.

Pretty much all truth can be found and understood within oneself.

Objectively we aren't able to obtain a clear / clean set of morals that works for us... well mainly... because most of them are meant to make you work for someone....

Slave morality vs Master morality.

Few points:
-Negative repercussions of imposed standards and expectations

-Ubermensh

-Highest Truth

Obtaining clarity in purpose and understanding... the dynamic balance of self mastery.

most of all.. just enjoying yourself? or something hallmarky
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PostSubject: Re: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 2:51 am

I had a discussion with a philosophy major about the difference between wisdom and knowledge. What do you think is the difference between them. Knowledge I feel is the capacity to learn information while wisdom is experience of how you use that information. Without wisdom and a lot of knowledge you won't be able to apply the knowledge you know, I don't exactly know how a vice versa would work for that but you get the point. To your slave mortality and master mortality, you can't start out being a master, you have to be a slave first, understand how slaves work and then you can be a master. There exists in this world a hierarchy or chain of command if you will. Information is privileged and classified and the higher you are in the chain, the more you know and the more you should know to have gotten to that position in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 10:23 am

Hehehe, it's not my argument! It's Nietzsche's!!

But ya there is an evolution of thought. The perspective you have and how you take action changes.

And I fully agree, it is extremely important... nay... absolutely necessary to experience the full spectrum.

Well unless you don't want to be a real person.... clown

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Regarding wisdom and knowledge. I've always considered the concept of intelligence as a capacity to apply one's brain in various activities. Whether it's recall or logic.. just some functioning and than you have sub groups.

In a broad sense though, I think knowledge alot of time is useless information. If it's applicable to you, and can 'help' transform you in some way... than... than this is knowledge.

Wisdom is a result of knowledge. You receive knowledge from your experiences (you experience heart break, you experience a rave). I think with wisdom comes the evolution of the perspective.

In the end it's the perspective which defines a man. Once you master your perspective... i'd say you mastered the game.

- ps. considering we are actually learning to better ourselves and not to 'educate' our selves in the traditional sense, when you begin discussions when classical / theological minded people you're likely to receive trivial information.

i.e. triva...

thus. not knowledge.

knowledge is applicable and pertinent. and adds unto your wisdom.
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PostSubject: Re: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 3:16 pm

Wisdom is a bunch of axioms that apply to everything. Wisdom is thinking not about the specifics, but about how whatever you're regarding is microcosmically representataive of the whole.

Knowledge is power. Book learning is factual knowledge. It's not good for much man, cause you can look it up in a book. Skillz are procedural knowledge. Gotta have skillz, this is how we do.
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PostSubject: Re: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 4:11 pm

lol... what a beast :3
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PostSubject: Re: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 4:26 pm

I recommend the writings of a French group called Tiqqun. They are translated well, and are less idiot-American than the crap from America.
http://zinelibrary.info/search/node/tiqqun

Our knowledge used to be authentic, and our social connections were borne of shared work. Now that our work is specialized and based on information, we don't have common work with our neighbors, and there is no community.

Also, fucking PAVEMENT. Roads have pushed people further and further apart. Kidz on campus might feel like hot shit driving recklessly near pedestrians on Friday, but come Monday they're back to shiftily avoiding eyes while passing on foot. A car is a bubble that divorces you from experiencing time and space in the traditional way.

So yeah, automation and transportation mean that there is no need for us to live in towns that are relatively self sustaining. We are all dependent on thousands of people scattered throughout the world for our way of life.

It's not all bad not being in a community. High school felt like a community, but it was more like a cliquey milieu. Milieus suck. This is why I don't really care to discuss anything that I care about, because anybody who is in that milieu is just going to say something that I already know and look at me like I don't know it, or they're not going to be able to understand what I say.

People have to start cooperative living arrangements. Communes or coops, whatever. This is totally important, and it's way more practial than smashing the state.

Technology distracts us from our lives and the planet being depleted. I read this on wikipedia early this morning. I see girls checking Facebook on their laptops in class. Actually, this is the only thing I see girls doing on their computers. This is so disheartening I don't know what to do. Maybe go out and talk to girls that I see using their computers. Oh wait, that's creepy and gross.

Girls' social needs aren't being met. They need a community. They need a circle of friends. Americans are antisocial fuckers compared to Europeans. Protip: it's cause of TV and computers. Our chairs have been arranged in rows since forever. The best cure for our national mood problems would be to arrange our seats in a circle. I can pretty much guarantee that within a year, everyone would be way happier, and would have like five times as many friends.

But technology is also good for discussion, whatever, maybe it'll help democracy? I fucking doubt it. The reason we don't have a meritocracy or a democracy is because dumb people fuck everything up and waste our time. Assholes who say things like, "that guy has too much time on his hands" are out there being stodgy and not changing their stupid point of view to be correct. This is controversial, but I think instead of educating kids for a shitton of years, we should do some serious standardized testing. Like, not just answer these easy ass questions, but some real fucking tests that correlate well to talent and neurological superiority.

Self sufficiency doesn't have to be a goal. Fighting the current economic system doesn't make that much sense. Altruistic science can save us. Anyways, with electronics progressing the way it is, 99% of the world will be playing cellphone games in their free time within 10 years. This is just what is best for the government so that we are placid and unaware. A cellphone is like a computer for beginners, but cooler (if you suck). If we consider the eventual progression of electronic entertainment into science fiction territory, like brain in a jar style shit, then environmental devastation is less of a concern. That's nice. But, brain in a jar is like... already a description of our symptom. But amplified 100x.

Should we pursue hedonism till the end? Is living really suffering? I anticipate something, does buddhism really say that my reacting at all is suffering? The teachings seem to advocate mindfulness, but the practice seems to advocate isolation and dissociation. What is really going on?

Knowledge is now trivial. People collect pop cultural information. I do this too. A poor use of knowledge is to use it to group yourself into an elite group by yourself. I do this... cus im so leet. But pretty much everyone does this in a misguided way. This is one of the most evident traps of television.

My classmates aren't funny. They always talk about school. In high school, we talked about culture, and it was funny. In elementary school, we were all kind of stupid and mean. In kindergarten, we got along swimmingly and everyone was happy. School is the cause of boring kids who look uncomfortable.

So right now I am considering what I have written, and it seems like the concern is social. When I am less insulated from economic concerns, I'm sure I will care much less about our disconnection. This is why college students are good social critics. I think that if I delay getting a job, it is much more likely that I will choose a divergent path and be a smug self-satisfied hippy.

Work
The problem most people have with work is that they know they aren't being paid accordingly for doing more work. Group projects...


MEDIA
Well, in the past, music was something you shared with your family, or with your church. Hardly anybody became rich from music until records came out. Nowadays, you can be really cult popular and still have to work a day job. And then some fucking kid like "Fred" or "Shane" will get a sweet deal out of being somewhat funny but mostly just sissy kid-safe, and make more money than you. FUCK. We gotta make money on internet video. It's a no brainer.

I'm going to write a bit about my experiences with music when I was younger, that is, in grade school onwards. Understanding what we have seen among kids will be applicable to tall kids.

Well there have always been the kids who have liked classic rock. This is pretty respectable, since it was handed down to them from their parents, who are probably pretty chill cause they were into the music scene when it was groovy.

There are kids who like darker variants of rock. Alt rock, metal, hardcore, blankety blank blank. Since middle school, I have noted that people who like this sort of music and want you to know about it are a bunch of people with similar world views to us, but more misguided, and definitely dumb as fuck. They're all about hedonism too, but they also bitch endlessly about social situations on their

Well, it's pretty evident to me that most music listeners are fucking poseurs. In grade school, music was a fad, and it still is. I mean, it's clear that they are the sort of people who would decline talking in a meta fashion about the characteristics of music, on the basis that they don't really think in that way and don't know shit. To these people, music is like alcohol, it numbs their senses, and is pretty confusing. Have Bose triports, Apple earbuds, or a baseball cap, you're one of these people.
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PostSubject: Re: Existentialism   Existentialism I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 09, 2011 9:05 pm

The student population is so unmotivated these days. The moment I want to have a study party or study for fun with people, I get looked at weird, or worse, someone tells me to get a life. I hate people like those, they don't want to further their education and anyone who does so is apparently wasting their time while they could be doing other constructive activities like hitting on girls who intentionally ignore such advances, or play video games, or just sit around and talk about their future while they don't actually do anything about it. That's what I hate the most, people are like oh I'm going to be an engineer and I'm going to talk it up like it's going to be an amazing lifestyle but when it comes to actually doing the work, they bitch out and be like eh I can just socialize instead.
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